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foot-aim view at Set-down
some of these checkpoints are better viewed from the
"foot-aim" view (in the line through heel and toe) instead of a straight
front view.
priority: A
best observed in foot-aim view, but usually front view
is good enough.
standard-form perceptual check
"neutral" = vertically underneath the hip joint (top of
the femur bone).
There is a tendency to set down outside from vertically
underneath the hip, while thinking that the foot-ground contact is vertically
directly underneath the hip.
simple Normal-push
for simple Normal-push, this checkpoint is a key
determiner of the range-of-motion of the Out-Sweep push, and of the
proportion between Out-Sweep push and Extension push.
-
in high-speed lower-force situations (e.g. flat or
slightly downhill slope, low-friction surface, tail-wind, strong
skater), tends to offer higher sustainable power rate if set down
further underneath toward the opposite side from the new leg-push.
-
in high-force situations (e.g. steep uphill, quick
acceleration, head-wind, non-strong skater), tends to offer higher
sustainable power rate if set down further outside on the same side
as the new leg-push.
-
skaters with strongly developed Extension muscles
but not much developed Out-Sweep muscles (e.g. strong bicyclists
who've done little skating), tends to offer higher sustainable power
rate if set down further outside on the same side as the new
leg-push.
Double-push
for Double-push, this checkpoint is a key determiner of
the range-of-motion of the In-Sweep push.
There are two main strategy focus options for
double-push: (a) emphasize higher turnover frequency from the big
leg-extension muscles (e.g. hip-extension, knee-extension) also used in
the main normal-push; or (b) emphasize engaging new muscles on the
inside of the leg (e.g. hip-adduction, lateral-hip-rotation,
ankle-supination) which are not used in the main normal-push.
Typically those who cross-train with lots of bicycling and not as much
Double-push-skate specific training should prefer option (a). Most
skaters without time for lots of Double-push specific training should
usually prefer option (a).
-
those emphasizing D-p strategy option (a) higher
turnover frequency of the big leg-extension muscles, should set-down
with the foot-ground contact more toward the opposite side from the
new leg-push, definitely not vertically underneath the hip of the
new pushing leg.
-
those emphasizing D-p strategy option (b) engaging
new muscles on inside of leg, should set-down with the foot-ground
contact closer to vertically underneath the hip of the new pushing
leg.
-
in high-speed lower-force situations (e.g. flat or
slightly downhill slope, low-friction surface, tail-wind, strong
skater), tends to offer higher sustainable power rate if set down
further outside on the same side as the new leg-push -- but usually
it is difficult to make this work farther than directly underneath
the hip.
-
in higher-force situations (e.g. substantial uphill, acceleration, head-wind), tends to offer higher
sustainable power rate if set down further underneath toward the
opposite side from the new leg-push.
-
skaters with strongly developed Extension and
Out-Sweep muscles but not much developed In-Sweep muscles (e.g.
strong skaters who have not practiced effective Double-push
much), tends to offer higher sustainable power rate if set down
further underneath toward the opposite side from the new leg-push.
priority: A
best observed in foot-aim view; for most higher-speed
lower-force situations, usually front view is good enough, because foot
is aimed fairly close to straight forward anyway. But for lower-speed
situations like climbing up a hill, foot-aim view is often important,
because it could be tricky to observe in front view, because the foot is
aimed significantly to side at set-down.
standard-form perceptual check
"neutral" = ankle joint in line between ground-contact and knee
joint.
Many skaters have a strong tendency to set down with the ankle
"pronated" -- so the ankle joint is inside the line from ground-contact to knee
joint. Even after they work on avoiding it, they tend to keep reverting back to setting
down with ankle-pronation.
simple Normal-push
-
Typically set down "neutral".
-
High-force situations: might set down somewhat
pronated (ankle joint inside the line from ground-contact to knee joint).
-
Very low gliding resistance: often set down somewhat
supinated (ankle joint outside the line from ground-contact to knee joint).
Double-push
-
Typically set down "neutral".
-
High-speed situations, or for those emphasizing D-p
strategy option (b) engaging new muscles on inside of leg -- might
set down somewhat pronated (ankle joint inside the line from
ground-contact to knee joint).
-
High-force situations: might set down
somewhat supinated (ankle joint outside the line from ground-contact
to knee joint).
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priority: A
foot-aim view is normally clearly better than front
view for observing this.
standard-form perceptual check
"neutral" = knee joint in line between ankle joint and hip
joint.
simple Normal-push
-
Typically set down "neutral". I have not noticed any
variations from this.
-
If foot is aiming straight forward at Set-down: then
might consider setting down with some medial knee-hip rotation (i.e. knee already
"rolled" inward -- knee joint inside the line from ankle joint to hip joint), to
increase range-of-motion for a lateral knee-hip rotation move before
the foot-pivot, which (if transmitted thru hip-adduction muscles) would add
sideways kinetic energy to upper body mass -- which could then be "caught"
after the foot had pivoted to aim diagonally outward, and converted
into (propulsive) kinetic energy.
-
If very low gliding resistance: then might possibly consider setting
down with some lateral-hip-rotation (i.e. knee pointed outward -- knee joint
outside the line from ankle joint to hip joint), to increase range-of-motion
for medial-hip-rotation moves.
But there might be a range-of-motion competition between
the medial knee-hip rotation move and the hip-abduction move, in which case this wouldn't
help much.
Double-push
-
Typically set down "neutral".
-
High-speed situations, or for those emphasizing D-p
strategy option (b) engaging new muscles on inside of leg -- then might
consider setting down with some medial knee-hip rotation (i.e. knee already
"rolled" inward -- knee joint inside the line from ankle joint to hip joint), to
increase range-of-motion for a lateral knee-hip rotation move during
In-push.
priority: B (or A)
view: best observed in front view, not foot-aim view.
See discussion of different approaches to this move on
Finish page.
At the Set-down for simple Normal-push this implies that the hip of the leg being
set down should be higher than (or roughly level with) the other hip which is in the final phase
of its push -- not because it's good for the Set-down leg, but because
it's good for the other leg.
Set-down for Double-push has trade-offs.
standard-form perceptual check
The approach that makes sense to me for educating
percerption is to have two perceptual checks for this: one for
staying level with no tilt, and one for moving to maximum tilt:
(a) Pelvis should be level: both hips at the same height off the
ground.
(b) Pelvis should be tilted sideways toward side of
Set-down.
simple Normal-push
Pelvis should be tilted sideways toward side of Set-down (or
perhaps
level): Hip of the leg being set down should be lower than other hip
(or perhaps
level with it). But the Set-down hip should definitely not be higher than the other hip.
If pelvis is tilted toward side of Set-down, the torso + shoulders
should not already be over on the side of set-down.
Double-push
At the Set-down for Double-push, there's conflict
between the desire to have the pushing hip higher to better engage
hip-extension muscles versus the desire to land the set-down foot
further away toward its own side.
So likely there will not be much distinct pelvis
sideways tilting observable at the moment of Set-down.
priority: B (or A)
This is a priority B if the question is
between gaining power from a torso-shoulder side-swing move or not
gaining. It's priority A if the skater is actually losing power due to
mis-timing of torso-shoulder motion.
view: best observed in front view, not foot-aim view.
standard-form perceptual check
if practicing torso-shoulder side-swing style: Position of shoulders
should be roughly centered over hips (ideally somewhat toward the side
of the pushing leg which is finishing) -- but
moving quickly (relative to the hips) across to the side of the
set-down.
if setting down with foot aiming straight
forward, the position above should not be reached until the foot pivots
to aim angled significantly toward the outside.
if practicing the "quiet upper body" style: Shoulders
centered over hips, chest facing straight forward.
simple Normal-push
Position of shoulders should be roughly centered over hips
(ideally somewhat toward the side of the pushing leg which is finishing)
-- but
moving quickly (relative to the hips) across to the side of the
set-down.
if setting down with foot aiming straight
forward, the position above should not be reached until the foot pivots
to aim angled significantly toward the outside.
A serious problem is if the shoulders positioned
roughly over the hips, but are moving away from the side of the
set-down (since this is absorbing propulsive work from the leg-push).
Typical problem is that the shoulders are already
over on the set-down side relative to the hips, roughly near the end of
their sideways move.
I suspect this timing problem results from two
things: First is a desire simplify the coordination by making the start
and stop of the torso-shoulder swing simultaneous with the start and
stop of the leg-push.
Fortunately this does not absorb any work from
the leg-push, but it does not add any either -- so it's using muscles to
move the upper body around, without getting anything for it. The reason
it does not add any work is because both the acceleration and
deceleration of the mass of the torso have taken place while the leg is
pushing sideways at roughly the same angle in the same direction, the
the Newton's Third Law positive from the acceleration is exactly
cancelled by the deceleration.
I suspect this might be because our
(unconscious?) perceptions are good at sensing the benefit from
accelerating a body part, but not good at sensing the loss from
decelerating (because the loss is irrelevant to critical tasks like
throwing a stone, and to a key phases of human running).
The key "fix" is to learn to hold back
the start of the torso-shoulder swing, to "de-synchronize" it from the
leg-push.
Another problem is that the shoulders are moving
sideways in the good direction, but only slowly.
Physics says that what determines the amount
of propulsive benefit from the torso-shoulder side-swing move is the
speed at which the shoulders are moving sideways at the instand of
set-down (for classic Normal-push).
Double-push
Shoulders roughly centered over hips, and not
moving (much) sideways -- is what is usually seen in the fastest inline
speedskaters in videos around 2004-2006.
What physics says might add more propulsive Power (in
Watts) would be to have the shoulders somewhat off to the side away
from the set-down, and not moving at all (relative to the hips).
One possibility is that the fastest inline
speedskaters are already so close to some "limit" on how much force
their legs can deliver that this style would not add much Power for
them. Another is that since the amount of added Power is determined by
the speed of the move, not the range-of-motion distance, starting the
move with more distance would only slow down their turnover frequency.
Typical problem observed is that the shoulders are already
moving across toward the set-down side. But this is the correct timing
for classic Normal-push. For Double-push the shoulders should be moving
across center at the Aim-switch.
Key "fix" is hold back the start of the
torso-shoulder side-swing in Double-push until after set-down. Use
set-down as the "trigger" perception to start the torso-swing move.
But holding the torso + shoulders all the over
on one side for so long gets strenuous -- which could explain why even
the fastest skaters tend to allow their torso to "drift" back into the
center, and then they start their quick torso-swing move from there.
priority: C
This is priority C if the question is
between gaining power from an arm-swing move or not
gaining. It's priority B if the skater is actually losing power due to
mis-timing of arm-swing motion.
view: best observed in front view, not foot-aim view.
If arm-swing is not being used to add propulsive Power,
then this observation can be whatever fits with or helps other aspects
of the skater's motion -- e.g. balance or rhythm.
If swinging the arms and hands from side to side is
being used to add propulsive Power, then the observations should
be like for the position and motion of torso + shoulders under
hips - torso-shoulder
relationship -- e.g. for simple Normal-push, arms roughly in front
of body, perhaps a little to one side -- but not way off to one side or
the other, and
moving definitely toward the set-down side.
If swinging the arms and hands forward and backward is
being used to add propulsive Power, then the observations should be
different from that.
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